Posted by: dctwins | July 30, 2009

Bill Smith and J.P. Ricciardi should stop hanging out

When the Twins were forced to deal Johan Santana two off-seasons ago, they were in a similar situation to the Blue Jays current situation with Roy Halladay. Both teams were holding a top-five pitcher as goods that could be waved in front of World Series contenders. Both teams wanted to get the best talent in return for providing some wishful (even desperate) team with a staff ace.

BILL SMITH

Bill Smith

Unfortunately, one other stark similarity is apparent — the fact both Toronto and Minnesota demanded an incredibly insane return on their prized possession while perfectly reasonable deals sat on the table.

When it became clear that the Twins and Santana would inevitably part ways, the Red Sox and Yankees naturally came calling. Boston was reportedly offering two separate packages. One included pitcher Jon Lester, outfielder Coco Crisp, shortstop Jed Lowrie and a minor league pitcher. The other package was centered around Jacoby Ellsbury and supposedly included then-minor league pitcher Justin Masterson.

J.P. RICCIARDI

J.P. Ricciardi

Brian Cashman, on the other hand, briefly offered Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera and a third minor league prospect. What the Twins eventually got in return for their two-time Cy Young Award winner was a package from the Mets, a team many viewed as not having enough talent at the time to acquire Santana unless they were willing to part with Jose Reyes. The package from the Mets didn’t even include their top prospect Fernando Martinez.

While the Twins can look back with regret at what could have been, the Blue Jays have a chance to learn from the Twins outlandish trade demands. Instead, the Blue Jays are asking for Rick Porcello, Ryan Perry, and Casey Crosby from the Tigers. From the Angels? Joe Saunders, Erick Aybar and Brandon Wood. They’ve already missed out on a potential package of Phillies prospects … prospects much better than anything they’ll receive. The Phillies arguably had the most to give, but J.P. Ricciardi refused to deal Halladay without getting Kyle Drabek in return, even though Michael Taylor or Dominic Brown would probably be available (along with a few other nice pieces) and Jason Knapp, who has since been dealt to the Indians.

Although the Blue Jays will have Halladay for another season, his value will continue to diminish each day Toronto holds onto him. Value is only what someone is willing to pay, not what you think it may be. If Toronto continues their current trend of following the Bill Smith Guide To Trading, the team and their fans will pay a hefty price.

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Responses

  1. I totally disagree, bill smiths moves at the time were fine. carlos gomez has lots of upside and potential. the only reason he looks bad now s because of delmon young, the most over hyped pieice of garbage in the bigs, and because of his lack of work ethic to get better he will cost bill smith his job.

  2. Baseballbriefs.com tracking back Bill Smith and J.P. Ricciardi should stop hanging out…

    Baseballbriefs.com tracking back Bill Smith and J.P. Ricciardi should stop hanging out…

  3. Richard … you’re a real richard. Ok maybe not but you’re either a completely ignorant homer or you just dont have any intelligence whatsoever. Carlos Gomez has showed us NOTHING besides his ability to run fast to catch on fly balls he’s misjudged. Why didn’t we just give a huge contract to some track athlete? he might learn how to hit better than gomez. Phil Humber sure looked good the other day didnt he? He looked even better going back down to the minors. Is there anybody else of note that we got i’m forgetting? Didn’t think so. We got completely screwed on the Santana “trade”.

  4. Thanks Tim, you summed up my thoughts exactly. Not that I don’t like Gomez, but the other packages out there from the Yanks or Boston sure had a lot broader ranges of talent involved.

  5. well again i disagree, gomez may be struggling at the plate right now yes. but his defense and speed on the base paths keeps him in the lineup, not to mention he is a spark plug of energy for the team from everything ive heard. im just saying i dont think you can call the trade for santana bad yet, still have to let it play out. and maybe you just need to stop being so negative tim, sounds like your just looking to gripe about something because your that type of begative whinny person, enjoy the twins and enjoy the season!

    • His speed on the base paths has not turned in to stolen bases now have they? If you have speed but cant steal bases it doesn’t work in your favor so much (ie distractions for the pitcher). I’ll concede that maybe he adds a run here or there where nobody else might make it home. yet i find it hard to believe he’s helped us win a significant amount of games this way. Plus he has to be on base first! No wait he has to have a professional at bat first.

  6. By the way i don’t want him to fail and i ‘d like to see him do well and if he ever turns it around i will be the first one singing his praises. What he needs is a long stint in the minors, but we cant do that because he’s our “prize” from the Santana “trade”.

  7. well i would rather see him compete and play than douschbag young

  8. Since we’re stuck with both of them i suppose i’ll finally have to agree with you ;) .


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